1880 Census Francis Grimes Family, Cambria County, White Township, PA
Francis Grimes 64
Bridget Grimes 34 (Born in PA, parents from Ireland)
Augustus Grimes 17
Bridget Grimes 8
Michael Grimes 5
Annie Grimes 1Cambria County Historical Society
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Robert G. Nooning
P.O. Box 410423
Melbourne, FL 32941-0423Dear Mr. Nooning,
Regarding your recent Research Request for information on Jennie Hannah Grimes:
1. The marriage license application for Jennie H. Grimes and John P. Groom states that Francis Grimes is Jennie's parent. Marriage took place at Wilmore, PA. Copy of marriage application is enclosed.
2. With above information, I checked the 1860 Census and found Francis Grimes (age 42) living in Summerhill Township. He was a farmer, born in Ireland, married to Susan (age 23) born in PA. Also in household: Mary J. (3), Elizabeth C. (2), Matilda A. (5 mo), and Francis Grimes (16), farm laborer. Copy enclosed.
3. Because Jennie Hannah and John were married in Wilmore, and that is a Catholic area, I consulted Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, a five volume set of books containing Catholic record transcriptions from 1793-1869. First, I found the 1867 birth of Hannah Grimes, confirming that Francis Grimes and Susan Crum were her parents. I then checked for other children of Francis and Susan. Most of these entries use the Latin forms of names. An explanation is enclosed. Marriage record of Francis Grimes and Susan Crum also included. In addition, I found a birth record for Susan Crum and a marriage record for her parents. All are included.
4. 1870 Census Summerhill Township shows Francis Grimes with same children from 1860 but no wife, Susan. Copy enclosed. My guess is that she died, although I found no record to confirm that.
5. 1880 Census White Township shows Francis Grimes married to Bridget. 17 year old son named Augustus. This is probably son Daniel A. who was named in 1870 Census. Copy enclosed.
6. 1886 obituary for Francis Grimes and reading of St. Augustine Cemetery showing burial of Francis Grimes. Copies enclosed.
7. You mentioned that Hannah had a sister Sally and the baptismal records show a sister Sarah. I found Sarah in the 1870 Census, Croyle Township. Copy enclosed.
8. 1880 Census, Croyle Township, listing for Sady (Sally or Sarah) Grimes.
As you can see, it does not appear that Hannah was orphaned. Rather my guess is that her mother died and the younger children were "farmed out." Her father appears to have remarried (probably around 1871, by age of daughter Bridget in 1880 Census). I hope you find this information helpful. I may be able to find more information on Hannah's family given more time.CATHOLIC VITAL RECORDS OF CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA 1793-1869
BY REV. ALBERT H. LEDOUX
Marriages of St. Aloysius Gonzaga, Summit, PA
1. GRIMES, Franciscum m. 04-29-1852 Susannam Johannam Crum
wi: Gullielmus Herlly/Bridgitta Clarke Clergy: Joseph A. Gallagher VOLUME 3 - #4443 - page 195Marriages of St. Michael's Loretto, PA
1. CRUM, Elias (parents omitted) m. 05-05-1835 Anna WELSH (parents omitted) wi: omitted Clergy: Demetrius Augustine GallitzinBaptisms of St. Bartholomew, Wilmore, PA :
2. GRIMES, Hannam Sarah (Francisco/Susanna J. Crum) b. 01-08 bp. 04-20-1867 gp: Neal Dugan/Birgitta Raney Clergy:John Hackett Volumes, page 165, #38373. GRIMES, Seram (Francisco/Susanna Jane Crum) b. 02-27 bp. 03-20-1865 gp: Philippus Kearns/Maria Margaretta Kearns Clergy: John Hackett Volumes, page 162, #3762
4. GRIMES, Augustinum ( Francisco/Susanna Jane Crum) b. 30-29 bp. 04-27-1862 gp: Joanne Neff/Seragh Milligan Clergy: John Hackett Volume 4, page 253, #5513
5. GRIMES, Matildam Annam (Francisco/Susanna Crum) b. 01-16 bp. 02-26-1860 gp: Jacobus Skelly/Susanna Neff Clergy: Thomas J. Walsh Volume 4, page 249, # 5423
6. GRIMES, Elizabethan! Catherinam (Francisco/Susanna Crum) b. 03-05 bp. 04-04-1858 gp: Joannes Fitzpatrick/Anna Neff Clergy: Thomas J. Walsh Volume 4, page 245, #5343
7. GRIMES, Mariam Johannam (Francisco/Susanna Crum) b. 01-28 bp. 02-10-1856 gp: Laurentius Cassidy/Maria Reily Clergy: Thomas J. Walsh Volume 3, page 278, #6098
8. GRIMES, Petrum (Francisco/Susan J. Crum) b. 10-12 bp. 11-01-1854 gp: Thomas McConnell/ Maria Neff Clergy: Michael J. Mitchell Volume 3, page 274, #6035
9. GRIMES, Agnete Eleanoram (Francisco/Susanna J. Crum) b. 07-30 bp. 08-14-1853 gp: Michaele Keating/Maria E. Crum Clergy: Tobias Mullen Volume 3, page 271, #5962
Baptisms of St. Michael's Loretto, PA
1. CRUM, Susanna (Eliae/Annae) b. 02-14 bp. 02-24-1836
gp: Carolus Brady/Eleanora Skelly d. deceased Philippus Clergy:Terrence McGirr Volume 1, page 122, #02584Contact me if I can be of further assistance: awbuck(@verizon.net
Sincerely, Kathy Jones CuratorBridget Julia Grimes remarried Joseph Travis.
54-1 1888 GRIMES, Bridget Julia TRAVIS, Joseph 5-394
24-1 1920 TRAVIS, Charles HERSEY, May Belle 61-674
54-1 1901 TRAVIS, James Benjamin HOOVER, Martha Eva 20-158
54-1 1901 TRAVIS, James Benjamin HOOVER, Martha Eva 20-158
54-3 1905 GRIMES, John F. BRADLEY, Teresa C. 30-79
1920 Census John Grimes Family, Cambria County, Tunnelhill, PA
John Grimes 34
Teresa Grimes 37
Francis Grimes 13
Lawrence Grimes 12
54-3 1905 GRIMES, John F. BRADLEY, Teresa C. 30-79
Cambria County Marriage Index.
34-1 1888 GRIMES, Bridget TREXLER, Edward 5-279
1880 Census Francis Grimes Family, Cambria County, White Township, PA
Francis Grimes 64
Bridget Grimes 34
Augustus Grimes 17
Bridget Grimes 8
Michael Grimes 5
Annie Grimes 1Cambria County Marriage Index.
34-1 1888 GRIMES, Bridget TREXLER, Edward 5-279
The last name listed in the Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania was spelled as Grom instead of Groom for the birth of John Groom, born in 1834 to John Groom and Catherine Albert. The 1850 Census record has the correct spelling of Groom.
The name John Groom was placed on the marriage application as the father of John P. Groom for the 1888 marriage to Jennie Hannah Grimes. The marriage application is in the scrapbook.
The following information as told to Robert G. Nooning Sr. came from John E. Groome and Mary Catherine Hoover Groome at their home in Harrisburg, PA around 1981.
John E. Groome's father, John P. Groome, had brothers Walter, George and Michael, sisters Helen and Ella.
George-Drove first train through McAdoo Tunnel in New York. Picture with gov of NY (Confirmed)
Michael-Killed on the PA railroad as a brakeman
Helen-Mother Superior, Sisters of Charity, Butler, PA
Ella-Married Ed Burns-Son's Herbert and Edward. (Confirmed)
Jennie Hannah Grimes had brothers James, Gus, and sister Sally who married a Reinart or Reinhart.It is Robert G. Nooning's belief as of 7-20-2007, that John Groom was married twice. The first marriage was to Sarah Riley AEB the Census records, and the Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, 1793-1869. They had children John P., Mary Helen, and George Groom. I believe that Sarah Riley passed between 1870 and 1871. I believe that John Groom remarried Maria Brophy abt 1872. I also believe that John Grome passed before the 1880 Census, and Maria Brophy Groom was back with her parents with Ella Bridget and Michael Groom. They are listed as grandchildren to Michael and Mary Brophy. Walter Groom, mentioned as a child from John E. Groome, is not seen in any of the Census records. However, John E. Groome's information has been very accurate so he has been included with the marriage to Maria Brophy.
The 1870 Census record, Blair County, Gaysport, PA that has the following listed:
John Groom 40 Ireland Brakeman, PA Railroad.
Sarah Riley 22 Ireland Keeping House
John Riley 10 Ireland At Home
Mary Riley 8 PA At Home
George Riley 6 PA At Home
Philip Riley 80 PA At Home
Edward Riley 24 PA At Home
Sarah Riley 70 PA At HomeThere were 2 Sarah Riley’s in this household. I believe that the Census taker made mistakes on names, ages, birth places and who was with who, and the family should be listed as:
1870 Census record, Blair County, Gaysport, PA
John Groom 40 PA Brakeman, PA Railroad.
Sarah Groom 32 Ireland Keeping House (I believe the age should be 32, not 22)
John Groom 10 Ireland At Home
Mary Groom 8 PA At Home
George Groom 6 PA At Home
Philip Riley 80 PA At Home Father-In-Law
(Age in 1880 Census also 80. Age should be 70. Birth place should be Ireland)
Sarah Riley 70 PA At Home Mother-In-Law (Birth place should be Ireland)
Edward Riley 24 PA At Home Brother-In-LawThe above corrected Census information is confirmed by the Catholic Vital Records of Central Pennsylvania, 1793-1869. In the hands of Robert G. Nooning Sr., is the marriage names and date for John Groom and Sarah Johanna Riely. Also in hand is the birth and baptism dates of John Groom and children John P., Mary E., and George Groom.
All of the Census records for the last name spelling as Riley. The Catholic Vital Records have the spelling as Riely. Reason is still unknown. The spelling as Riely is used in the marriage record, and the birth records of John P,, Mary E., and George Groom (Groome). There is no middle initial or middle name listed in the baptism record of George Groom.
In the 1870 Census, John Groom was listed as a brakeman on the PA Railroad. Michael was supposed to have been killed as a brakeman on the PA Railroad and George worked on the railroad as well.
The 1880 Census of the Riley’s in Blair County, Gaysport, PA, has listed with them George Groom, age 15. It also has the Edward Riley and Philip Riley from the 1870 John Groom Census. John Groom, Sarah Groom, and Sarah Riley are not found in the 1880 Census in Blair County with the Riley's. This would make sense if both the wife Sarah and mother in law of John Groom died between 1864 and 1880, and John Groom remarried Maria Brophy.
1880 United States Federal Census, Blair County, Gaysport, PA
Household Members: Name, Age, Relation to Head
Thos. Southwood 37 Self
John Riley 46 No entry
Bridget Riley 40 Wife
Ann M. Riley 17 Dau
George Riley 15 Son
Philip Riley 14 Dau
Margaret Riley 12 Dau
Celia Riley 10 Dau
Bridget Riley 8 Dau
John Riley 6 Son
Catharine Riley 2 Dau
Philip Riley 80 Father (Age in 1870 Census also 80.)
Edward Riley 35 Brother
George Groom 15 Boarder
Adin Edwards 22 No entryNotes from Robert G. Nooning Sr:
Many times in the Census records, the person's proper name was listed, not the name they were commonly known. Other times, the opposite was true.
Ella B's middle name may have been Bridget, and listed in a Census as Bridget.
The 1870 birth place is PA, and the name is Mary. In the 1880 Census, birth place is Ireland and the name is Maria. Same people in the family for the brother, mother and father for both the 1870 and 1880 Census.
The following information as told to Robert G. Nooning Sr. came from John E. Groome at his home in Harrisburg, PA around 1981.
John E. Groome's father, John P. Groome, had brothers Walter, George and Michael, sisters Helen and Ella.
George-Drove first train through McAdoo Tunnel in New York. Picture with gov of NY (Confirmed)
Michael-Killed on the PA railroad as a brakeman
Helen-Mother Superior, Sisters of Charity, Butler, PA
Ella-Married Ed Burns-Son's Herbert and Edward (Confirmed)
The following information as told to Robert G. Nooning Sr. came from John E. Groome at his home in Harrisburg, PA around 1981.
John E. Groome's father, John P. Groome, had brothers Walter, George and Michael, sisters Helen and Ella.
George-Drove first train through McAdoo Tunnel in New York. Picture with gov of NY (Confirmed)
Michael-Killed on the PA railroad as a brakeman
Helen-Mother Superior, Sisters of Charity, Butler, PA
Ella-Married Ed Burns-Son's Herbert and Edward (Confirmed)
The following information as told to Robert G. Nooning Sr. came from John E. Groome at his home in Harrisburg, PA around 1981.
John E. Groome's father, John P. Groome, had brothers Walter, George and Michael, sisters Helen and Ella.
George-Drove first train through McAdoo Tunnel in New York. Picture with gov of NY (Confirmed)
Michael-Killed on the PA railroad as a brakeman
Helen-Mother Superior, Sisters of Charity, Butler, PA
Ella-Married Ed Burns-Son's Herbert and Edward (Confirmed)
Age in 1910 Census stated to be 33, with father and mother born in PA. Age in 1930 Census stated to be 54, with father and mother born in Ireland. Age is consistent but birth place of father is not.
The 1910 Census also has her with 3 children born, 2 still living.The SS Death Index is consistent with Ella's birth year.
Social Security Death Index about Ella Burns
Name: Ella Burns
SSN: 156-20-8619
Last Residence: New Jersey
Born: 13 Apr 1877
Died: May 1963
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951 )